Goku [Ssj3] + Vegeta [Ssj2] vs Ultimate Gohan + Gotenks - May 8, 15; Buutenks vs Ultimate Gohan, Gotenks SSjin3, Goku SSjin3, Vegeta SSjin Enraged - Apr 1, 14; And in GT, Gohan isn't "ultimate" anymore, as he can go SSJ, thus it shouldn't count on the topic about Ultimate Gohan. After training in the RoSaT, SSj Gotenks got even stronger. He stated that he could've beaten Fat Buu when he first encountered him. Super Saiyan 3 is not a set power level. Yet SSJ3 Gotenks fought equal with him and almost won until the fusion wore off. . Except base Gotenks fought Fat Buu and got his ass handed over to him, while SSJ3 Goku could have beaten him. "no he doesnt. Considering Piccolo didn't think SSJ Gotenks(Pre Rosat)could stand a chance against Super Buu, yet thinks Base Gotenks(Post Rosat)may pull out a win, it would be safe to say that Gotenks had surpassed his old SSJ level in base.". DBZ ultimate gohan vs ssj3 goku from dragon ball super I know that Ultimate Gohan/Mystic Gohan who fought super buu was stronger than SSJ 3 Goku from Buu saga. Well in my opinion Gohan is stronger than goku because Gohan could easily won vs Super Buu. Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) But the only reasons Goku defeated Hirudegarn were through strategy (taking advantage of Hirudegarn's temper). Watch this and then honestly tell whether they were comparing him with fat buu or buuhan. WTF are you talking about? Goku said, he didn't try his hardest when he fought Fat Buu, but he also said he didn't know if he could win. it wasnt the bulk of everyones power. Wtf your actually telling me that Goku was not strnger than Gohan in GT?! 14:19, December 28, 2011 (UTC). he never thought that. Simply put, Ultimate Gohan is the character's most powerful form, dramatically stronger than other established Saiyan transformations including Super Saiyan 3 and Super Saiyan God. Goku and vegeta both said that buu's strength is increasing when he was about to evolve into kid buu. (Piccolo was about equal to a SSJ Goku). I swear I heard him say that when I saw that episode. This is what creates the confusion but what about the lines of argument i have presented before?? Okay,I think Ultimate Gohan is more powerful.Gotenks SSJ3 was equal or a little more powerful than Super Buu,Gotenks SSJ3,having a advantage.But Gohan fought Super Buu and Buu didnt touch him,making him stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks.And Goku stated that Gotenks is more powerful than Gotenks.Ultimate Gohan was EQUAL,not less powerful,than Super Buu with Gotenks and Piccalo absorbed,BUT Piccalo's smarts beat him.And SSJ3 Goku vs Super Buu (Gotenks & Piccalo Absorbed)never happend.It never happend in the manga,therefor,Super Buu with Gotenks & Piccalo absorbed,I think is stronger than Kid Buu,is stronger than SSJ3 Goku.And the last movie of DBZ,Wrath of the Dragon,Gohan couldn't hit him because Hirudigarn was moving,But when SSJ3 Goku fought him,he was moving alot more slow and barley moved,just stood there,but Goku STILL got hit several times.Goku got a lucky shot at him because I think he left his gaurd open.But by the 13th movie,I believe Goku as a SSJ3 was stronger than when he fought Kid Buu,making him stronger than Gotenks at that point.I still think Gohan is stronger by a little by Wrath of the Dragon,but in the Majin & Fusion sagas,Gohan beats Goku by a lot. A key thing to note is how long Goku "fought" buutenks, if you look at the begining of Gohans fight with buutenks hes doing great as well however over time Buutenks quickly shows the gap between them. But there is no doubt that Ultimate Gohan is strong!! Ultimate Gohan is definatly far stronger then SSJ3 Goku. This might not be the case in GT since Gohan stopped training, no he didnt. If AT were to rewrite the ending and have Ultimate Gohan defeat Kid Buu', the ending would be anti-clamatic which will make the story lose its popularity. This is my opinion:Actually,Goku ssj3 is a little more stronger than Ultimate Gohan.But,ssj3 reqires a lot of energy to maintain the form.It will only last for an hour or so.Goku can't maintain the form longer do to excessive energy consumption.Eventually,he will tire out and will be reverted back to his normal form.On the other hand,ultimate gohan doesn't need much energy to … Other then that fact aside, I wouldn't go all out and say they had to kill each other. hirudegarn wasnt any more angry at the end than he was at the start of the fight. AT originally said it but later he said the opposite, the guy really got shit for making Gohan the successor to Goku. So I guess I would say Mystic Gohan. goku called gotenks a risky gamble meaning he had no faith in gotenks' power. Kid Buu is not "more evil" he and Super Buu wanted to destroy everything so why would the Kai's waste their breathe to say Kid is unrestrained as in more evil more crazy when it really doesn't matter since the outcome would be the same no matter which Buu won. If anything, this Gohan is weaker than the younger, freshly awakened Gohan. This pretty much shows that Goku has no chance against Gohan. he was kicking ass. ssj gotenks x 7 = ssj2 gotenks. - Tien 16:26, August 19, 2011 (UTC). . Their is proof in the manga and in the anime. and so are you. So yes, Ultimate Gohan is stronger than a Super Saiyan 3. Gohan easily dominated and beat the hell out of Super Buu, who was far stronger than Fat Buu. Goku trains 24/7. Thats just dumb. It is difficult to say who was stronger but in my opinion, goku ssj3 was stronger than gohan. too much could kill gohan. So we know Buutenks is stronger than both. He used flashy attacks that he thought were "cool", and he never actually fought Buu hand to hand. Goku might have said that gotenks is powerful but it is evident from this fact that goku was stronger than gohan. Its all in the training. In an OPINION Goku is stronger than Gohan because that's all any of these can be are opinions. he had to in order to be ssj again despite being ultimate in z. its in the gt perfect files. kid buu wasnt getting any stronger. He did in fact say he could definately beat fat buu. He was about equal to Kid Buu when at full strength SSJ3 who was stated to be stronger than Super Buu. How bad of a stomp it is depends on how you scale Gotenks but whether you're conservative and say he's relative to Goku, or go all in and say he doesn't even compare to SSJ Gotenks, Gohan doesn't spend to much time with his pops. Gohan? Now about Goku vs Buutenks thing. Goku never fully mastered ssj3 so it might be stronger and if we're talikng about the energy drain ssj had a lot of side effects if you used it before mastering it. I disagree, since Goku Gt = Z Goku SSj, if he went SSj3 he would count as 50 times Z Goku SSj3, which you cannot argue is far stronger than Ultimate Gohan in Z, not to mention in Gt. Goku himself stated tht he could have defeated kid buu ( which is stronger that any form of super buu) as a full power ssj3 though, and in the 13th movie ultimate gohan can't beat hiruigarn but ssj3 goku does. gohan far surpassed ssj3 gotenks based on their individual fights with super buu. First off, I don't remember him saying that. As proof Goku with his child body couldn't use instant transmission a skill he used often as an adult. Sure they untapped his true power but that doesnt mean thats his full strength. So mystic Gohan accualy use his SSJ2 power so the energy of his can not be used to the spirit bomb because he is inpure. ULTIMATE Gohan vs SS3 goku MANGA ONLY Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Hello, /u/DangerAinger, I'm IronOhki, old man and laziest mod. There is NO evidence. ... Bola de Dragón último de Budokai 3 ssj4 gogeta goku vs vegeta broly ssj3 gotenks gohan. In the normal world of the living, Gohans is stronger than goku simply because his energy consumption is much lower than ss3 goku. It's a release of all of Gohan's power. Ok, first of all, Akira Toriyama stated that Whis is now the strongest character in DBZ, so any references to Ultimate Gohan being the strongest is automatically crap. look what happened. SSJ3 is supposed to be like ten times more powerful than SSJ2 and there's a history of people only twice to 5 times as powerful as their opponents defeating their opponents in mere seconds. goku in base is not as strong as ssj3 goku in z. Well lets look at that "fight" Goku "fights" buutenks for all of 60 seconds and the only time he manages to land a proper hit is when buutenks pauses and fires at Gohan, beyond this moment buutenks is pretty dominant and laughing while Goku is nervous and fighting to survive. . Ok SSJ3 Goku only got one hit in on Buutenks. YES WE DO. Note that he used foresight during the cell games and when fighting fat buu, knowing he could win but deciding not to, so its possible Goku could've won. It is important we must stop the debate here as thing r very unclear. So, for that reason, who would win in this fight? yes he did use ssj3. But still, Goku wouldn't make that gamble unless Gotenks was at least near Fat Buu's power. And When Goku beat Hirudegarn, it was a plot hole. Goku wanted to fuse with Gohan to beat Buutenks and fuse with Vegeta to beat Buuhan. gohan said those tricks had no effect on him because of how well hes been trained. So since SSJ3 Goku could hold his own for a good amout of time. As we all know that Gohan is better than Goku so you can all continue to sucking dicks and licking pussies thank you. GOku said that him and vegeta cldnt beat super buu. Meaning he may or may not have been able to win, no one knows. He also takes punches that did damage to Gohan, like they were nothing. there is no possible way for goku to ever beat gohan. vegeta says "buu is stronger than i imagined. again this is when goku wants the next gen to beat buu, not himself. To those saying Kid Buu is far weaker than Super Buu, didn't (at least in the anime) Gohan and the Z fighters back on earth donate some of their if not most of their energy to the spirit bomb then go around telling people to give up their energy. User:Dbzfan999sig 19:54, October 25, 2011 (UTC), No ultimate Gohan is when gohan reaches his fathers goal back when they were training for cell when he can be comfortable in ssj2 thats all. 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