SSB Gogeta being weaker than Beerus makes no fucking sense whatsoever, since the movie ended with Broly being on Beerus' level. Such as the evidence that just regular SSJ1 Broly is already superior to Jiren (Who gave MUI Goku a very tough time). No, it wouldn't. So, as I said before, Gogeta wins. Video games. He doesn't present the evidence when asked about it. While Broly's strength is said to be close to that of a God of Destruction, Jiren's power far surpasses that mark, as seen during the Tournament of Power. But I'm not sure how Jiren stacks up to Gogeta. Jiren is on a different level to all. Since Gogeta in base is stronger than ssj blues individually, that would mean that even the weakest God form would be literally thousands of times stronger than ssb goku and vegeta. But it is pertinent to my answer. It was stated that Fusion was allowed and they both saw a potara fused a character a while back. If he doesn't fuck around with Jiren he One-Shots and if he does then Jiren will gradually climb to his Power Level or try to seal him. Also is jiren weaker than Broly? A one-stop shop for all things video games. One of tropes that exists throughout the Dragon Ball mythos, but originally introduced in Dragon Ball Z, is that two fighters can fuse together to form a new, hybrid individual with vastly augmented power and abilities. During the aftermath, Jiren goes on to ask Gogeta on why his fusees never fused into him during the Tournament of Power, implying that Gogeta would have been a massive threat to its contestants, including Jiren himself. Goku, on the other hand, scales to the One-Star Dragon, who downscales from being 10x weaker than his next form who's able to destroy the universe. Whis is the Angel attendant of Universe 7's God of Destruction, Beerus. If hearts is trying to overthrow the omni king and jiren, hit, Android 17,trunks, piccolo can't beat hearts what chance does gogeta have of beating him.. And why does hearts look like gogeta is a challenge.. Okay, so this isn’t exactly a reason why Gogeta is stronger than Vegito, but it should be. While Jiren is very powerful, there is absolutely no denying that Goku can take him down in the Mastered Ultra Instinct state, although for Goku, achieving that form once again has been a challenge ever since. MUI defeated Jiren, who is stronger than someone stronger than Beerus, according to Whis, who saw Beerus at his fullest. My guess is the reason they are giving us the quote is that at some point in the movie, Beerus or Whis may say that Broly is “even” stronger than himself. That was because he was purposely fucking around with Omega Shenron. Jiren also fought a lot of foes and was much stronger than most, even fighting against goku with UI two times and a fully powered vegeta. When Jiren shows up, it's heavily implied he's the one mortal stronger than GoD, which would likely include Beerus. 10 Stronger… In the Manga, Goku got some hits in before Jiren started adjusting his fighting style to counter Goku's movements at which point, the two were fighting evenly until Jiren outlasted Goku, so Goku = Jiren > Belmod and any difference between Goku and Jiren were negligible. Basing this pretty much solely on the fact that that's just how Dragon Ball works. (edited by Rogeta234) 0. Hopefully, the manga will give is a glimpse of that soon. Mostly I just want to know if this would be a stomp or not. MUI is likely a Fusion amp. It could potentially surpass Gogeta/Vegetto if all of the characters' respective permutations are allowed that you mentioned. Jiren is considered one of the strongest characters in Dragon Ball, but there are still a few fan-favorites who could beat him in a fight. Rebel_Yeh Not-So-Newbie Posts: 64 Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:49 am. Jiren can increase his power to keep pace with Gogeta the same way Broly did, only Jiren can do so with much more strategy and endurance. You guys are supposed to close it. Also, Goku said that Broly might be stronger than Beerus, while it was suggested by comments made in Dragon Ball Super that Beerus was greatly eclipsed by Jiren. Rumor: Ultra Instinct Goku, Jiren, Super Saiyan 4 Goku, and Gogeta coming to Dragon Ball FighterZ Season 2 Vergeben also claims that he heard Season 2 will be bigger than … according to Diazenzhuu. In the TOP Jirens feats really are overwhelming when put into context. Jiren is roughly as powerful as Beerus. While Vegeta is stronger than Toppo, Jiren is stronger than Goku by a wider margin. Regardless of whether or not he’s stronger than Beerus specifically, it’s still extremely impressive and it definitely means it’s possible that he’s stronger than Frieza. Beerus is the God of Destruction of Universe 7 and quite possibly the strongest known God of Destruction there is. He is the author of some of the articles here that you liked, and others that you didn't. Then you're violating the powers at hand. Joppo would destroy BR: Gogeta Blue though. Gogeta was pushed to Blue by Broly, someone who according to Goku, who has not seen Beerus's full power, MIGHT be stronger than him. I haven't been keeping up with a lot of the new calcs and changes to DB characters. So why do the Pride Trooper's stink so much? However, due to lack of training, Gohan has gotten weaker with time. That’s jus how I … Beerus isn’t a guy whose gonna be surpassed so subtle and subliminally. Vegeta is one of the main characters from Dragon Ball and he's one of Universe 7's strongest Saiyans. That said, IMO Broly is stronger than Jiren. 10 Dragon Ball Superheroes Reimagined As Villains, Dragon Ball: 5 Characters Goku Can't Beat Yet (& 5 He Never Will), My Hero Academia: Shoto Todoroki's 5 Biggest Strengths (& 5 Weaknesses To Work On), Bleach: 10 Zanpakuto & Quincy Powers That Suit Byakuya Better Than Senbonzakura, Naruto: 10 Things You Didn't Know Happened To Sasuke After The Series Ended, Tower Of God: 10 Best Character Designs In The Franchise, Ranked, Dragon Ball: 5 Ways Broly Is The Legendary Super Saiyan (& Why It's Really Goku), Junji Ito's Remina Is a Modern Horror Classic - That We Don't Need Right Now, Good Omens Fans Will Enjoy Eniale & Dewiela Vol. The calc for destroying the DB universe is 40x above baseline 3-A, and Jiren scales above that due to being above the GoDs. Couldn't find this with a search so here we go. The only scaling for Beerus and Jiren is a magazine scan that claims MUI Goku is 'possibly' stronger than Beerus. All his children are known to be powerful enough to beat the Gods of Destruction, and the fact that he is even stronger than them means that Jiren is no more than a bug to him. Is Gogeta as strong as Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku and Awakened Jiren from the Tournament of power? Vegito is cool in his own right and we don’t deny his fancy earrings, but come on, take a look at the truly supreme being: That sick jacket (which only appears on those who successfully pulled off the fusion dance, by the way) that extra spiky hair, and that stoic look. Couldn't find this with a search so here we go. Just like Whis, Vados is one of the Angel attendants, although she serves Champa, the God of Destruction of Universe 6. 10/19/2019. For Jiren, this fight should be rather easy, however, we expect Kefla to fare well against him. If you appreciate the VS Battles wiki, and can afford it, please make a donation to help keep our forum running, so we can continue to work hard to improve on the reliability of our wiki profile pages. In Goku’s First encounter with Jiren, Jiren matched a Kaiokenx20 Super Saiyan Blue Spirit Bomb, and Supreme Kai stated that Jiren’s power feels different from anyone they ever faced before, meaning that Jiren is the strongest enemy they have ever faced. Even if he's physically weaker than Jiren, he has hax abilities, such as Hakai, up his sleeve, which basically ensures that Beerus will absolutely not lose to him. Nobody ever says that Jiren is stronger than either of them. He has 5 minutes right? Now if we compare this to Jiren, obviously Jiren was a lot stronger than both Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta combined but this is not a tournament anymore. Thanks to Kale's special Super Saiyan form, Kefla is several times stronger than an average fusion should be. The fusion of Kale and Caulifla, Kefla is an extremely powerful warrior from Universe 6. And … Gogeta or Vegito? Having incredible potential, Gohan put himself forward as one of the strongest known characters in the series at one point. Jiren's universe was supposed to be one of the stronger ones. please stop commenting on this thread its been concluded for 2 months. Sure, Vegito got high power levels and he is actually stronger than Beerus. Despite that, however, Hit won't be able to defeat Jiren in a fight. And there wasn't any doubt Jiren was stronger than MZ in 110, or any doubt he's the strongest they had ever fought, but then Whis says "perhaps" he's stronger than GoD level. I'd say it's pretty clear that Jiren is stronger than Broly (fights off Goku, Vegeta and 17 at their strongest without going full power and when it's mentioned that he's above GoD level it's less nebulous than Goku's guess about Broly's power). Kale also shat on nearly everyone but Jiren when she went wild. If that’s true, then Jiren, who has the power of a god, could really be stronger than all other Dragon Ball villains, including the Legendary Super Saiyan himself. As explained by Vados during the Tournament of Power, Jiren's powers are even beyond time, which means no matter how much Hit improves his time-skip, he is more likely to lose the fight than not. Whis knows Ultra Instinct as well and it seems that his skills with this power are far greater than Goku's. So why do the Pride Trooper's stink so much? So Jiren is over 10x stronger than Goku. Gogeta wouldn't one-shot Jiren, he didn't one-shot Super One-Star Dragon who has the same feat as the GoDs Jiren scales above to. In terms of power, Whis can likely destroy anything that he wants and for him, defeating Jiren shouldn't be a task too arduous. Syn Shenron is 10x weaker so he's 4x baseline. Furthermore, Hit's progression, especially when fighting opponents who are stronger than him had been noted to be incredible. Whether Vados is still stronger than Whis or not remains to be seen, however, what we do know is that there is absolutely no way for Jiren to defeat her. Then once UI Goku appears, he forces Jiren to get serious in a fight, and while he didn't win he did push Jiren more than he ever has been. Gogeta >>>> Omega at 40x. MUI Goku defeated Jiren, who is stronger than a GoD that is stronger than Beerus, based on a statement made by Whis, who is Beerus's teacher and knows his full power. He's Stronger than SSB Kaioken x20 by a large amount so I expect him to beat the shit out of him with no effort. its not like i don't know its non canon to the super timeline. By adding Jiren's RE to the mix, it sounds pretty even. Universe 6's famed assassin, Hit an extremely powerful character, strong enough to kill most who stand in his path. Would this still be added if I took away Gogeta's time limit? They're pathetically weak compared to Frieza. If even that. I want to say Gogeta but I want to say that I am seeing a trend of speed equalize in a lot of these debates and if speed is equalized and In Dragon Ball speed is a part of your power and durability then that would mean that both characters are equal in power and durability. It may not display this or other websites correctly. If you want to be anonymous, don't enter your real name when you donate. Jiren was able to fight against Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku during the Tournament of Power, and he even held his own against him, meaning he should be able to do the same against Gogeta. RELATED: 10 Dragon Ball Superheroes Reimagined As Villains. The next arc's villain always surpasses the last arc's villain, and I don't see why Broly would be weaker than Jiren yet require an even stronger Goku and Vegeta to try out a new strategy to defeat him. That's kinda how ki in DB works bro. I said their ki would be adapted to that speed correlation. Unfortunately, we've never seen Beerus at full power, which means that his real strength could surpass that of Jiren. You can connect with him on his email: reipenber17@gmail.com. He's definitely the strongest they have ever fought, but only perhaps stronger than GoD level. Mid diff at best considering UI’s mechanics After the tournament of power, Goku and Vegeta most likely both got a Zenkai boost from severe exhaustion fighting Jiren and others so fully healed they were technically stronger than before. So please close it immediately sir. Wouldn't Jiren's RE allow him to keep pace and eventually overcome this Goku or just seal him? Their combined power already adds up to roughly 40 times that of their regular SSB, so I have a hard time seeing Jiren not taking the fight against Gogeta with ease, since he'd only be slightly over 2 times that of SSBKKx20 Goku and SSBE Vegeta combined. So somehow, Broly is stronger than Beerus next: Dragon Ball: Vegeta 's Worst. 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