I will also add, it's a topic not often covered in TFS. The Springfield model 1884 was one of the "Trapdoor Springfield" rifles. I also shoot BPCR and have several 45-70's and found those 3 articles very interesting. NEVER! The 1873 US Springfield Trapdoor chambered in.45/70 is a true American classic and perfectly capable of taking large sized game today. The result of the quest for a more accurate, flatter shooting .45 caliber cartridge and firearm was the Springfield Trapdoor rifle. Others are so pristine they look like they were never issued. Metal has some pitting around the wood stock, wood is solid with dings and scratchs you would expect for a 130 year old firears, no cracks. This test was held on a NJ beach to get the range, and for the sand impact area that would indicate hits. I'm guessing you mean Swiss 2f powder. Some are so beat up they surely were in the Indian Wars. After the case mouth is belled, throw a charge of powder in the case. Mine shot just like Rich-Siegel's. If you would like more data from my shooting, send me a personal reply and I will go into depth. (Thanks to Steve Adair for the pictures showing a trapdoor Springfield.) I just bought a Springfield Model 1884 Trapdoor rifle. The rifle is all original and saw little use. It battled the Ku Klux Klan throughout the South in the early 1870s and put down labor unrest in Chicago in 1877. There were several good articles about loading BPCR cartridges in a couple of back issues of TFS. Joined: Sep 27, 2007 Messages: 10. Slight scratch on RHS butt stock. a 405 grain hallow base bullet and to compress the powder. The Cast Bullet Association is an organization of shooters who enjoy shooting cast lead bullets in rifles and handguns for competition, hunting, or informal target shooting. I was casting and reloading for the 30/06 at that time, and bought a Lyman 457191 305 grain mold to make bullets; but couldn't come up with the cash for the reloading dies, shell holder and sizing dies for a while. I dare say there ha e been a lot more rollers blown than TD probably because there are people rebarreling to high intensity rounds. Last worked on by Springfield in 1893. Only ever Nitro powder. A "traditional" load for the Trapdoor has been 22 grains of 2400 with a 400 grain cast bullet sized at least .460, most Trapdoor bores are oversize. The Springfield Trapdoor rifles and carbines were a series of breech loading rifle and carbine weapons built from 1865 to about 1888, beginning with the Model 1865 and then with other models being introduced every few years. Unless the case mouth is belled, the gas will come around the case and dent the case and get it all dirty. It never hurts to bell the case mouth. However, time marches on. The Model 1873 "Trapdoor" Springfield was the first standard-issue breech-loading rifle adopted by the United States Army (although the Springfield Model 1866 had seen limited issue to troops along the Bozeman Trail in 1867). It is loaded with the same 300 grain Hornady JHP used in our full strength 45/70. Rivoli Rifle Club at New Windsor, Illinois had a early November Turkey Shoot with an offhand match for the Trapdoor at 200 yards on a swinging clay pigeon, many shooters used the above load. A Cinnamon black bear. They all shoot high from this position. From a hide , about 50 yards. This is designed to put a bullet on a man sized target somewhere from point blank to about 350 yards. Why Choose Us? People sometimes refer to the "Sandy Hook Tests" of 1879, where the army tested the Springfield .45-70 Trapdoor at two miles. I bought my first 45/70 rifle, a Springfield model 1884, from Ralph Laffoly at his gun shop in Melrose Mass. 6.7 LOADING THE SPRINGFIELD 45-70 THE EASY WAY   There should be a bit of drag on the empty belled case is chambered, not too much to make the case hard to chamber, just enough so you can feel it drag. Springfield 45/70 Springfield Trapdoor Cadet Rifle) Rifles for sale in Christchurch, United Kingdom I believe the 1879 sight is adjustable for windage once the slide is raised from the base position. Buyer pays postage. Like the .50-70, the .45-70 used a copper center-fire case design. During the following 20 years quite a big number of Springfield Trapdoor rifles have been manufactured, among them also many versions with smooth barrel for cadets, for the target shooting and destined to the Officers. A local gunsmith and former armorer took a look and removed the pin that held the front sight balde and replaced the blade with one from a Krag or Springfield (can't remember which) put the pin back in and all was well at 100. The primer is seated a little above the head of the case. The Springfield Trapdoor held the new, more powerful .45-70 military cartridge. Known as the Rod-Bayonet or Model 1888 Rifle. The rifle is in good to very good condition with a nice patina, original stock, shiny bore and very visible rifling. The 1879 "Buckhorn" rear sight is my favorite, mainly because it is adjustable for windage. also would like to know if i use less powder can i use a patch or something to fill the void between the powder and the bullet?i am looking for the right way to reload these.thank you. The rifle will be my long range side action gun for SASS competition. Shooting high at 100 is common; trapdoor battle sights were typically zeroed for 300 yards with the Frankfurt Arsenal cartridge. the primer seated in the primer pocket. Metal has some pitting around the wood stock, wood is solid with dings and scratchs you would expect for a 130 year old firears, no cracks. Jim With a hinged breech block, this classic rifle Then the base of the bullet rests on top of the wad(s). Most are in decent shooting condition and are still affordable, but 90 percent of the existing Trapdoors out there are.45-70s. The wad gets pushed into the hollow base and interferes with the expansion. I've read the following article before, and it's been referenced in several places. He has included a number … The trapdoor,model 1884 is a lot stronger than an Allin conversion and a Number 5 roller should be tougher than a number 1 Sporter. Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by chuck faison, Aug 25, 2009. In any case, the slightly protruding primer never gave me a problem; however I caution the reader to NEVER use a case primed this way in any gun other than the one used to prime the case. The bore and chamber look. The Model 1873 "Trapdoor" Springfield was the first standard-issue breech-loading rifle adopted by the United States Army (although the Springfield Model 1866 had seen limited issue to troops along the Bozeman Trail in 1867). Can't say if the charge weight and bullet weight are good choices. Here's the ice pick. You are bidding on a excellent 1873 Trapdoor Springfield 1st model rifle or early carbine butt plate. After the Civil War, Springfield armory won the bid to manufacturer weapons for the US Army. Some are so beat up they surely were in the Indian Wars. luckily there's a guys makes this scope mount. The Springfield Trapdoor Cartridge Rifle and Carbine was produced for the military in 1873. It seems the older I get, the less time there is to do things. It's great to see you over here. Today I would use a set of Lee powder scoops, see the picture. During the following 20 years quite a big number of Springfield Trapdoor rifles have been manufactured, among them also many versions with smooth barrel for cadets, for the target shooting and destined to the Officers. Rivoli Rifle Club at New Windsor, Illinois had a early November Turkey Shoot with an offhand match for the Trapdoor at 200 yards on a swinging clay pigeon, many shooters used the above load. I have not try to measure it but it must be 10-12 pounds. This includes the Trapdoor Springfield. Cpt - if you care to look up the birth date of your rifle, here's a link ... John Boy- The sight shown in your photo is the 1879 Buckhorn. This includes the Trapdoor Springfield. Thanks, Ed. This is usually done with 1, 2 or possibly more wads being pushed down on top of the powder column before seating the bullet. Earlier sights (1873) did not have the windage. Keep us posted on your progress because a few of us will be and are interested. Now our trapdoors are shooting at a far higher level of accuracy than ever before. No Ordinary Trapdoor! It was a redesign of the Army’s Allin Trapdoor rifle. Using BP is a great loading experience and is different in some ways than using smokeless powders. I have found in my rifles one likes heavy loads and the other lite loads. A short bit of time and anyone can get the feel for this. On this rifle the cleaning rod was the bayonet; the bayonet could be extended ahead of the muzzle and was held by a catch mechanism. That the single shot Trapdoor Springfield was a satisfactory weapon for both infantry and cavalry is evidenced by the fact that it was not until 1892 that it was replaced by a repeater in the form of the bolt action .30-40 Krag Jorgenson rifle. 405 gn loads in the 14-1600 FPS range would be safe in a Trapdoor Springfield IF the rifle has been checked by a gunsmith and determined to be in condition to shoot standard 45-70 ammo. The Springfield stayed in service until 1893, when it was replaced by the Krag–Jørgensen bolt-action rifle. they were written specifically for beginners and they are in TFS # 215, Jan-Feb 2012, TFS #216, March-April 2016, and TFS #225 Sep-Oct 2013. The exterior is much nicer than usual. The sight on trapdoor Springfield rifles when in the down position is what is called the battle position. Springfield Krag Trapdoors Springfield Muskets M1 Garand 1892 - 1894 Krag 1896 Krag 1898 Krag 1899 - 1903 Krag Krag Accessories Model 1865 1st Allin Model 1866 .50-70 Model 1868-1870 .50-70 Model 1873-1890 .45-70 ... Trapdoor Accessories See DeHaas book on Single Shot rifles and do a little searching on the ASSRA forum. in 1963. Full-stocked, 32 inch barreled rifles, as … http://smg.photobucket.com/user/waksupi/media/P1010001-002_zpsryr4czlr.jpg.html>http://smg.photobucket.com/user/waksupi/media/P1010003-002_zpsrxu7esez.jpg.html> shooting trapdoor springfield. The plugged case shown is filled with epoxy. Springfield Trapdoors abound at gun shows, gun shops, pawnshops and in private collections. The Springfield rifle is a typical gun of the American soldiers, including General Custer. He said the government never liked to change things and the butt plate screws for GI rifles were the same ones that were made for the civil war muskets. how does this sound to you? A Fine Example of the Trapdoor Springfield Rod-Bayonet Infantry Rifle. Allin’s proposal, based on the Springfield Model 1861 musket, was to cut the section from the breech end of the barrel, which contained the percussion lock, and replace it with a new part with an upwardhinging ‘trapdoor’. So that's it, the easiest reloading I've ever done, with the absolute minimum of tools and expense. It is equipped with the Buffington sight that is adjustable for windage and elevation. I took my first bear with a trapdoor cadet. Springfield Trapdoors abound at gun shows, gun shops, pawnshops and in private collections. Remington still loads some .45-70 ammunition to safe levels for the Trapdoor; they're labeled as such. Start a primer in the primer pocket with the thumb, then put the case in the chamber and close the door, and the primer is seated. For additional photographs, descriptions and specifications see: The .45-70 Springfield-Book I or The .45-70 Springfield-Book II-1865-1893.. Return to Front Page View Sporting Rifles View Model 1884 Round Rod Bayonet Rifles Put a bullet in the chamber, push it in with a plugged case and close the door on the plugged case to breech-seat the bullet. In the past I used a home-made dipper made from a pistol cartridge case with a piece of 14 gauge copper wire soldered on for a handle. I had a Sharps 1863 carbine converted to 50/70 by the military and it also shot about 14" high at 100 yards but shot dead on at 200 yds. If you go to the posts and look for strings in my name, you will see my sojourn so far with the Trapdoors. bullet, even if you load with the heavier slug, the rifle will shoot 18-24" high at 100 yds! It was an 1888 version in pristine shape. This is designed to put a bullet on a man sized target somewhere from point blank to about 350 yards. Presuming you are shooting an origianl Trapdoor Springfield, although you are shooting a bullet that is lighter than the original 405 gr. If you are shooting a 405 grain hollow base bullet, I would look askance at using an over-powder wad. It put down labor unrest in Chicago, battled the Ku Klux Klan in South Carolina. The function of the hollow base is to expand and seal the base against the rifling. For your entertainment, here is a trapdoor I finished a couple weeks ago. My problem is the trigger pull. The model 1884 incorporated a significant number of improvements that had been made between 1878 and 1879. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. The server has not detected any activity for the last 3 hours. Compressing the powder often improves the performance of a lot of black powder loadings. i cajoled my dad every three hours to let me get a lyman tool for my 218 bee ... he finally caved in when he saw my crutched up loading methods ... Maybe instead of wads taking up that excess space, put a wad in on top of the powder and fill the rest of the space with a grease cookie. Stormin, depending on the model Trapdoor you have, adjusting your rear sight may be your fix. The oldest.45-70 Gov’t I’ve shot is a Springfield Model 1873 “Trapdoor” Carbine with “US/MODEL/1873” stamped on its breechblock. During the following 20 years quite a big number of Springfield Trapdoor rifles have been manufactured, among them also many versions with smooth barrel for cadets, for the target shooting and destined to the Officers. Here's a 45-70 case with the Lee de-capping rod and base, and a mallet to operate them. In fact this very gun was used to almost completely wipe out the largest land mammal in North America. I cover how I load compressed loads of 70 grains, and going down to 55 grains of BP. this site specializes in: (1) trapdoor springfield rifles & carbines, 1865-1893; (2) indian war & span-am war: u.s springfield trapdoor arms; (3) 1865-1893 military: bayonets, knives, entrenching tools/trowels, mills & prairie belts, mckeever / dyer pouches & carbine boots. The Model 1873 is the most popular with collectors. H & R 1873 Springfield Trapdoor Officers Model in very good condition. I have a couple Springfield 45-70's, and shoot exclusively black powder by choice. The Model 1884's have a really cool rear sight that allows for both windage and elevation adjustments, and adjusting it to play with the POI at different ranges is (for me) part of the fun of shooting a Trapdoor. Our 5447 members have posted 77005 times in 4973 discussions. The Springfield Trapdoor rifle is a typical gun of the American soldiers. i bought a Springfield 45-70 trap door i need some information on reloading the ammo,i have been told to use swift 2f black powder 65 gr. Others are so pristine they look like they were never issued. Also comes with original front sight and rear peep sight. Compare prices 1884 Springfield Trapdoor Rifle And 22 Long Rifle Automatic Pistol That prevents accurate shooting as for as I am concerned. The trapdoor mechanism continued with the adoption of the Springfield 1873 rifle, chambered in the new .45-70 cartridge. I put 2 into it, but I think the first one would have done it. NEW FOR YOU Back in the days before hip surgery, and eye floaters, guess were alittle late here, a good book on trapdoors and reloading for them is by pat and spencer wolfe,has a lot of info including how to safely lighten trigger pull and wealth of historical info on these guns, overall agood read   imo, never late for good information Thanks I just almost finished putting together an 1868-70 50-70. However, I score better with this load if I watch the wind very closely. From a hide , about 50 yards. my eyes are still good enough for target with the buffington sights but not to hunt with. Bore excellent. The Trapdoor was further modified in 1884 with a new (Buffington) rear sight that gave windage correction and the rifle soldiered on until replaced by the bolt-action 30/40 Krag-Jørgensen in 1892, which was the US’ first smokeless cartridge. I was developing loads for a friend's rifle and the shooting high was a pain. Shooting high at 100 is common; trapdoor battle sights were typically zeroed for 300 yards with the Frankfurt Arsenal cartridge. The inside is extra nice. It is a lot sharper than the picture shows, and will decap cases easily when whacked with a stick. 1 The Model 1873 is the most popular with collectors. It is loaded with the same 300 grain Hornady JHP used in our full strength 45/70. But with black powder you need to avoid allowing an air gap to be present between the base of the bullet and the top of the powder. 45/70 Springfield Trapdoor Rifle - A ruggedly worn Original example of the Springfield Trapdoor rifle. Full-stocked, 32 inch barreled rifles, as well as half-stocked, short-barreled carbines, were produced. With the pitted bore near the muzzle, I would consider having the rifle counterbored 8 inches to sound rifling, with a perfect crown. ***** A Targetized Trapdoor by John Ryckman John has described how he has altered a .45-70 Springfield trapdoor rifle to optimize its shooting qualities. yes i meant Swiss 2f black powder, some time my fingers and mind don't work together lol. this ramrod is straight and measures a full 35 1/2" with 97-99% original finish present. It bore the bayonet thrust through Crazy Horse, and fired the bullet that killed Sitting Bull. This Trapdoor wears a Buffington rear sight with a … ***** A Targetized Trapdoor by John Ryckman John has described how he has altered a .45-70 Springfield trapdoor rifle to optimize its shooting qualities. Learn from CBA members that have been casting their entire life. It was a redesign of the Army’s Allin Trapdoor rifle. Guess the problem was known to even film writers. I cast bullets and lubricated them by hand or pan lubed them, and developed a way to reload at the range. This is the process that always accompanies a paper patch bullet so why not try it with; I'm assuming now, your grease groove bullets. I remembered hearing a line in an old movie from when I was a kid, with the master sergeant in some imaginary 'Battle of Filmdom Gulch' admonishing his men to ''shoot at their knees', or something like that. Belling the case mouth seals the case mouth against the chamber and keeps that blow-by from happening. The function of the hollow base is to expand and seal the base against the rifling. Look for your answers in our Forum and in our bi-monthly publication the Fouling Shot. get low cost} prices Shooting Edge Gunsmith And Springfield Trapdoor Gunsmithing now. I don't visit this Forum real often but I do check back every now and then. During the past year I scratched a longstanding itch and bought a nice Mod. Put a thumb sized piece of toilet paper in the charged case and push it down on the powder with a stick or a pencil to keep the powder in place when loading. The Springfield Trapdoor rifles and carbines were a series of breech loading rifle and carbine weapons built from 1865 to about 1888, beginning with the Model 1865 and then with other models being introduced every few years. Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest. A Cinnamon black bear. beautiful preservation! I will use Black Hills .45-70 Cowboy loads. vintage.45-70 springfield trapdoor rifle*original* m1879 ramrod* for your viewing pleasure* vintage*original* m1879 springfield trapdoor rifle* correct ramrod* 45/70 caliber-indian wars era(1866-97) in excellent working condition! BECAUSE: * Some modern .45-70 ammo is currently loaded so it is held to the 18,000 CUP pressure limits, and thus is safe in .45-70 trapdoor rifles in good condition. It equipped the troops also during the Spanish-American War (1898-1899). Good luck with those Buffington sights. What you mean by "modern ammo" and "trapdoor springfield" in the same sentence I have NO CLUE. hard to find one this nice! The trapdoor Springfield outlived Custer. Select a load starting around 10 grains and never more than 14 grains of Unique. The sight on trapdoor Springfield rifles when in the down position is what is called the battle position. This test was held on a NJ beach to get the range, and for the sand impact area that would indicate hits. It is safe in all firearms (in good condition) chambered for this caliber. The hammer on a trap door Springfield is just the right size for belling the case mouth; a necessary step in reloading low velocity loads. Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 Next > chuck faison Member. This thing packs a wallop. 1873 Springfield. Beautiful colour case hardening. The gun, in both full-length and carbine versions, was widely used in subsequent battles against the American Indians.. A "traditional" load for the Trapdoor has been 22 grains of 2400 with a 400 grain cast bullet sized at least.460, most Trapdoor bores are oversize. The Springfield Trapdoor Cartridge Rifle and Carbine was produced for the military in 1873. I don't spend much time on the computer any more. Buy Shoot 22 Magnum And Long Rifle And Shooting Springfield Trapdoor Rifle Shoot 22 Magnum And Long Rifle And Shooting Springfield Trapdoor Rifle Reviews : You Trapdoor Springfield rifle in 45-70. Mr. Laffoly threw in a box of ammunition after I paid, which was his way with the younger shooters. Trapdoor Springfield rifle in 45-70. Velocity is 1,410 FPS from 18″ barrels. Otherwise Excellent. It is safe in all firearms (in good condition) chambered for this caliber. it takes a long eye relief scope, mines a … The 405 grain bullet does not expand before moving , that is the reason for the hollow base. Much better than the ice pick. This had a … People sometimes refer to the "Sandy Hook Tests" of 1879, where the army tested the Springfield .45-70 Trapdoor at two miles. This is our lighter recoiling 45/70. VERY nice work. Great to shoot, very accurate. Like a 1750 ft-lb of muzzle energy wallop. This is designed to put a bullet on a man sized target somewhere from point blank to about 350 yards. this ramrod is straight and measures a full 35 1/2" with 97-99% original finish present. A ground-to-size ice pick, whacked with a stick, removed the primer The Springfield rifle is a typical gun of the American soldiers, including General Custer. 0. The Association's central purpose is to help shooters enjoy casting bullets, You must enable JavaScript to be able to use this site in full, 6.7 LOADING THE SPRINGFIELD 45-70 THE EASY WAY.doc, Welcome to The Cast Bullet Association Forum, TC Contenders & Other Single Shot Handguns, 68 grains Swiss FFg - Compressed - Drop tube, .030 fiber over-powder wad, 030 milk carton wad soaked in lube, SAECO 1881 500 grain round-nose - 25/1 Pb/Sn alloy, SPG lubed; sized in a .460 only to get lubed. The Officer’s Model is no ordinary Trapdoor and as the name suggests it was intended to be a private purchase by officers of the US Cavalry, as opposed to an issue firearm like the Cavalry Carbine and full length Infantry Rifle. The 1884 Springfield Trapdoor shoots a straight sided, rimmed 45-70 cartridge propelled (traditionally) with 70 grains of black powder. beautiful preservation! Have a question? I have a very nice Trapdoor with a mint bore. The final development in the Trapdoor Springfield story issued to the regular and volunteer U.S. troops. MP0282 Saddle Bar Ring 1873-1889 Springfield 45/70 Trapdoor Carbine, Spencer Rifle/Carbine, & 1859 - 63 Sharps, 1874 Sharps, & Our Price: $4.95 Compare For your security, your session will expire in 2 minutes … Most are in decent shooting condition and are still affordable, but 90 percent of the existing Trapdoors out there are .45-70s. Trapdoor Gemmer Rifle .45-70 for sale online. According to my notes, my very pretty 1873 Trapdoor liked the following: Brass: Remington (or Starline or whatever you can find) 35gr IMR 3031 Oregon Trail Laser Cast 405gr (0.459" - my bore slugged 0.460 best I could tell). #Permalink The Springfield seems to like the harder cast as much as a soft lead boolit but doesn't like jacketed. Use the case in the gun that you seated the primer with. 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